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		<title>By: peechie</title>
		<link>http://www.worldwidewatercooler.com/2007/06/28/effed-up/comment-page-1/#comment-36692</link>
		<dc:creator>peechie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 08 Jul 2007 18:16:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>dearheart: I&#039;m glad you checked the post after returning (and hope you had a good trip). I wasn&#039;t sure you would, and a few people asked me if you had - so I figured I&#039;d post a comment as such.

I stand by my comment that a majority of HR people I know in a professional context are very bad at their professions. Frankly, so are a lot of marketers - otherwise the collective profession wouldn&#039;t have a reputation as spinners and liars. 

I still can&#039;t comment on your personal HR work, because I haven&#039;t worked with you in an HR context - (just as you haven&#039;t worked with me in any job where I *have* managed people, processes and marketing campaigns) but I&#039;m glad you take your profession seriously enough to stand up for its importance.

Perhaps instead of taking this observer&#039;s comments as a personal attack, when they had nothing to do with your work - take them to your organization and say &quot;hey, some of us are giving everyone a bad name, and that shit&#039;s gotta stop.&quot;

That&#039;s what I do with my colleagues.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>dearheart: I&#8217;m glad you checked the post after returning (and hope you had a good trip). I wasn&#8217;t sure you would, and a few people asked me if you had &#8211; so I figured I&#8217;d post a comment as such.</p>
<p>I stand by my comment that a majority of HR people I know in a professional context are very bad at their professions. Frankly, so are a lot of marketers &#8211; otherwise the collective profession wouldn&#8217;t have a reputation as spinners and liars. </p>
<p>I still can&#8217;t comment on your personal HR work, because I haven&#8217;t worked with you in an HR context &#8211; (just as you haven&#8217;t worked with me in any job where I *have* managed people, processes and marketing campaigns) but I&#8217;m glad you take your profession seriously enough to stand up for its importance.</p>
<p>Perhaps instead of taking this observer&#8217;s comments as a personal attack, when they had nothing to do with your work &#8211; take them to your organization and say &#8220;hey, some of us are giving everyone a bad name, and that shit&#8217;s gotta stop.&#8221;</p>
<p>That&#8217;s what I do with my colleagues.</p>
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		<title>By: dearheart</title>
		<link>http://www.worldwidewatercooler.com/2007/06/28/effed-up/comment-page-1/#comment-36691</link>
		<dc:creator>dearheart</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 07 Jul 2007 16:45:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Basically, it&#039;s because you *are* entry level.  No harshness intended.

&quot;Mid to Senior-Level&quot; inherently implies &quot;management&quot;, something that is *not* entry level.

Given that there are only four &quot;levels&quot; within this recruiting website, entry level is where you would be classified.  It&#039;s not so much that your skills are entry level, it&#039;s just that you&#039;re not any of the others.

And, of course, my comment was facetious...jeez.  But after all your other comments about how useless HR professionals are, I felt it prudent to indicate that I did, in fact, go through two years of fairly brutal hell to get my qualifications.  And we *did* learn things like how to classify jobs on recruiting websites.

And yes, I *am* in New York.  Thanks for the opportunity to be able to respond while *not* on vacation.

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Basically, it&#8217;s because you *are* entry level.  No harshness intended.</p>
<p>&#8220;Mid to Senior-Level&#8221; inherently implies &#8220;management&#8221;, something that is *not* entry level.</p>
<p>Given that there are only four &#8220;levels&#8221; within this recruiting website, entry level is where you would be classified.  It&#8217;s not so much that your skills are entry level, it&#8217;s just that you&#8217;re not any of the others.</p>
<p>And, of course, my comment was facetious&#8230;jeez.  But after all your other comments about how useless HR professionals are, I felt it prudent to indicate that I did, in fact, go through two years of fairly brutal hell to get my qualifications.  And we *did* learn things like how to classify jobs on recruiting websites.</p>
<p>And yes, I *am* in New York.  Thanks for the opportunity to be able to respond while *not* on vacation.</p>
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		<title>By: peechie</title>
		<link>http://www.worldwidewatercooler.com/2007/06/28/effed-up/comment-page-1/#comment-36627</link>
		<dc:creator>peechie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Jul 2007 16:21:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>gill, Kyn - I think you guys probably have it. 

It doesn&#039;t seem like dearheart&#039;s going to provide an answer (in fact, I think she&#039;s out of town at the moment) - which is unfortunate. I was looking forward to the official &quot;HR School&quot; reason.

Though does it strike anyone else as a bit wacky that one should have to go to HR School to understand how to find a job (except one in HR)?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>gill, Kyn &#8211; I think you guys probably have it. </p>
<p>It doesn&#8217;t seem like dearheart&#8217;s going to provide an answer (in fact, I think she&#8217;s out of town at the moment) &#8211; which is unfortunate. I was looking forward to the official &#8220;HR School&#8221; reason.</p>
<p>Though does it strike anyone else as a bit wacky that one should have to go to HR School to understand how to find a job (except one in HR)?</p>
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		<title>By: Kyndra</title>
		<link>http://www.worldwidewatercooler.com/2007/06/28/effed-up/comment-page-1/#comment-36593</link>
		<dc:creator>Kyndra</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 29 Jun 2007 17:01:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>They want the experience, and the ability to PAY entry-level :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>They want the experience, and the ability to PAY entry-level <img src='http://www.worldwidewatercooler.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: peechie</title>
		<link>http://www.worldwidewatercooler.com/2007/06/28/effed-up/comment-page-1/#comment-36590</link>
		<dc:creator>peechie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 29 Jun 2007 15:08:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>dearheart: actually yes, I would like to know. I&#039;m hoping there&#039;s a reasonable explanation for it. 

Especially since, according to those postings, I have &quot;entry-level skills&quot; (a degree, plus 3-5 years of directly related experience, between co-op and post-degree work) - and have been told by &lt;em&gt;multiple&lt;/em&gt; HR people that I&#039;m overqualified for that type of posting and should be aiming higher.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>dearheart: actually yes, I would like to know. I&#8217;m hoping there&#8217;s a reasonable explanation for it. </p>
<p>Especially since, according to those postings, I have &#8220;entry-level skills&#8221; (a degree, plus 3-5 years of directly related experience, between co-op and post-degree work) &#8211; and have been told by <em>multiple</em> HR people that I&#8217;m overqualified for that type of posting and should be aiming higher.</p>
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		<title>By: gillian</title>
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		<dc:creator>gillian</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 29 Jun 2007 05:35:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>My take on this is that they *want* people with a degree and 4+ years of experience, but they&#039;re only willing to pay an entry-level salary. Sadly there are companies out there that are looking for people with low self esteem who will take whatever work they can get.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My take on this is that they *want* people with a degree and 4+ years of experience, but they&#8217;re only willing to pay an entry-level salary. Sadly there are companies out there that are looking for people with low self esteem who will take whatever work they can get.</p>
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		<title>By: Sue</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sue</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 29 Jun 2007 04:15:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Agreed. That is utter crap.

Entry level should be someone who&#039;s just out of a degree program, or PERHAPS someone with a two-year diploma or equivalent with one or two years of experience.

Y&#039;know, it&#039;s part of the whole prejudice against the young, energetic, talented worker which I absolutely detest in today&#039;s world.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Agreed. That is utter crap.</p>
<p>Entry level should be someone who&#8217;s just out of a degree program, or PERHAPS someone with a two-year diploma or equivalent with one or two years of experience.</p>
<p>Y&#8217;know, it&#8217;s part of the whole prejudice against the young, energetic, talented worker which I absolutely detest in today&#8217;s world.</p>
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		<title>By: dearheart</title>
		<link>http://www.worldwidewatercooler.com/2007/06/28/effed-up/comment-page-1/#comment-36586</link>
		<dc:creator>dearheart</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 29 Jun 2007 02:01:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Do you *really* want an HR professional to enlighten you or were you asking hypothetically?

Because I would, if you&#039;d like. There is, actually, a very good and simple reason for what you&#039;re finding. This is the kind of thing you learn in &quot;HR school&quot;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Do you *really* want an HR professional to enlighten you or were you asking hypothetically?</p>
<p>Because I would, if you&#8217;d like. There is, actually, a very good and simple reason for what you&#8217;re finding. This is the kind of thing you learn in &#8220;HR school&#8221;.</p>
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